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Credit for this information goes to AndyT and NSXTASY

The background:

Between a previously posted letter and personal contacts, several of us have heard an answer to this question from folks at American Honda, that the numbers sold for model years '97, '98, '00, and '01 were 318, 1023, 1347, and 1157, respectively, for a total of 3,845 ITRs. But some folks here have been looking for documented proof of those numbers, beyond that already available. It is now possible to get such proof. Here's how.

Every ITR sold in the United States has a VIN (vehicle identification number) in the format JH4DC231cySnnnnnn where:

c is a check digit, calculated as shown on this web page, where it says "What is a Check Digit and how is it calculated?" (The examples and information shown are for NSXs, but the calculation itself applies to ITRs as well)

y designates the model year of the car (V=1997, W=1998, Y=2000, and 1=2001)

nnnnnn is a sequential numbering of the cars produced (that does not have ANY relationship to the ITR numbers on the armrests)

Therefore, it is possible to use a computer to calculate the check digit, and therefore the VIN, for all possible VINs for ITRs sold in the United States.

It is also possible to take each VIN and verify whether it was or was not ever a valid VIN for an ITR, by entering it into the "My Acura" section of Acura's website. The website will indicate whether or not it is a valid VIN, and if so, will also indicate the color of the car. If someone does this, he can compile a list of all valid VINs of every ITR sold in the United States, and identify the color of each one. This will give us a total number of ITRs and a breakdown by color.

The problem in doing so is that this process involves entering thousands of VINs into the website to verify which ones were actually ITRs. This will require a fair amount of work. In fact, it might be so much work that it's impractical; I don't know. More specifically, I don't know how high the VIN sequence number (that nnnnnn part of the VIN) goes each year. If there was one VIN sequence for all Integra versions, including two and four doors, GS-R and SE and LS and GS as well as ITRs, there may be so many possible VINs to check that it's impractical to check all of them. (Integras were selling at a rate of approximately 40,000 cars a year in the States when the ITR first came out in 1997, although that figure dropped to around 14,000 a year by 2001, as shown in the figures here; note that those figures show sales by calendar year rather than model year.) But if the ITRs were only produced in a small number of "runs" during the manufacturing process, it might be feasible to check only the ranges of VIN numbers in and around those runs, so that only a few thousand VINs for each year would need to be checked instead of tens of thousands. Unfortunately, I don't have any idea how to go about isolating which portions of the sequence number series would contain all the ITRs. EDIT - since originally writing this post, I found out that there are four sequences of USM Integra VIN numbers each year, and exactly how high they go for each year's sequence for manual hatches

If this sounds too complicated and impossible, it's not. Someone on NSXprime went through exactly this process to determine the VINs of NSXs sold in the U.S. in recent years, identifying each one by color, transmission, and body style. Granted, it was easier with NSXs because it was only a few hundred each year, all using one sequence of VINs with no non-NSXs mixed in, so there were only a few hundred to check without having thousands of GS-R or LS Integras mixed in (and again, I don't know whether or not that's the case with the VIN sequence numbers used for the ITR). But still, if it's possible for someone to do that with the NSXs, it's possible for someone to do that with the ITRs.

Maybe there is someone here (or several someones here) who might be interested in taking this on. Someone with the computer skills to program the algorithm to calculate the check digit for each possible VIN, and someone to spend the time entering the list of possible VINs into Acura's website to verify which ones were sold as ITRs (and find out the color of each).


Ok, here are the answers.

Total USDM ITR Production by Year
(numbers in parens are the previously accepted totals)
1997 320 (318) 320 CW (100%)
1998 1002 (1023) 1002 CW (100%)
2000 1355 (1347) 573 FBP (42%) 782 PY (58%)
2001 1173 (1157) 523 NBP (45%) 650 PY (55%)


Grand Totals by Color
3850 Total
1322 CW (34%)
1432 PY (37%)
1096 *BP (29%)
573 FBP (15%)
523 NBP (14%)


Modified by coolhandluke at 11:19 PM 3/24/2013


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Quote, originally posted by AssPenny »
NBP FTW! Not only is it the fastest, but also the most rare!

Craig - Who say 97's don't count due to their ugly front

^you shut up!

I wonder how many actual 97's are still out there at this time..


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I'd ballpark it around one third still have clean titles..

'97s = the possessed look


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According to April 2006 Carfax run of all the USDM ITR VINs...the following still had clean titles.

1997 223 of 320 or 70%
1998 664 of 1002 or 66%
2000 1032 of 1355 or 76%
2001 912 of 1173 or 78%

These figures do not include Canadian ITRs which do share the same Badge # sequence.


-Joe
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97-00357 Born 6/2/1997.
98-0309...Born 1/22/1998.

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Dang and that was 7 years ago.
01-0864 Import Alliance only caR
98-0197 Soddy daisy street warz
98-0965 Rainbow is ALIVE!!

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I'l get one at some point, or a nice clean 98'. It will be my coming back to the east present to myself.
98-1040
98-0197 - Sold
01-0187 - Sold
97' #171

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Why do the badge numbers jump around? 2001 there was 1173... Well my badge is 1295?
NBP ITR #01-fu thieves
CW ITR #98-0604 sold
PY ITR #01-xxxx sold
CW ITR #98-0352 sold
FBP ITR #00-0744 R.I.P
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Those production numbers above are for US sold ITRs. Canadian ITRs shared the same badge sequence. For the most part, all badge #s were assigned to caRs. One known exception is the '97s. Badge #s ranged from 00001 to 00514 but only 480 ITRs were sent to North America that model year. An Acura contact confirmed that 34 badges were never installed in caRs.
-Joe
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ITRCA, LLC.

97-00357 Born 6/2/1997.
98-0309...Born 1/22/1998.

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Here are a couple more breakdowns of the sales data, courtesy of Acura. It includes the # sold per month, # of each color per year, & the unused list of badges from 1997: http://www.integratyper.org/sp...s.htm

The differences in the totals from what Acura provided vs. the 2006 carfax list vs. the old MyAcura database is due to the fact that Acura didn't sell all of them. They kept some for their Honda training programs for years, and they were never registered with a DMV. Those ones showed up in the MyAcura database as being real VIN's, but they never were registered so they didn't show up in the carfax or the sales data.

I'm glad to see an updated thread of this nature.


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Goldmine of information in the last few posts.
98-1040
98-0197 - Sold
01-0187 - Sold
97' #171

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Quote, originally posted by Doespike »
Those production numbers above are for US sold ITRs. Canadian ITRs shared the same badge sequence. For the most part, all badge #s were assigned to caRs. One known exception is the '97s. Badge #s ranged from 00001 to 00514 but only 480 ITRs were sent to North America that model year. An Acura contact confirmed that 34 badges were never installed in caRs.

So it's a good chance my badge number came from a Canadian R?


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CW ITR #98-0604 sold
PY ITR #01-xxxx sold
CW ITR #98-0352 sold
FBP ITR #00-0744 R.I.P
08 f150/ daily driver

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Quote, originally posted by Dkbmxer-88 »

So it's a good chance my badge number came from a Canadian R?


I think so. Everything about 1175 seems to be a CDM model. I suspect yours to be around 580s-610 range. Too bad the previous owner wasn't more helpful..
-Joe
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ITRCA, LLC.

97-00357 Born 6/2/1997.
98-0309...Born 1/22/1998.

ITR Expo, ITRCA, and Team Lazy Merchandise for Sale!!


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I am now depressed.. how can i find out the previous owners... Before etank .. And what since would that make switching them
NBP ITR #01-fu thieves
CW ITR #98-0604 sold
PY ITR #01-xxxx sold
CW ITR #98-0352 sold
FBP ITR #00-0744 R.I.P
08 f150/ daily driver

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A previous owner may have kept it as a memento. Possibly stolen. I've heard of a few caRs that were only broken into and not stolen. Thieves may take floor mats, shift knob, badge. Easy crap. A previous owner of 309 kept heR badge as a memento. Luckily he posted his phone # on HT in an OLD thread and it was still valid. Called him up and he sent it to me.

Carfax will help you see where your caR has been registered. Then you may have to do some DMV legwork/paperwork to find previous owners. Also, maybe Acura may have previous owners in their database.


-Joe
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ITRCA, LLC.

97-00357 Born 6/2/1997.
98-0309...Born 1/22/1998.

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My previous caR came with a badge from a different R. Og owner kept the badge I guess.
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98-0197 Soddy daisy street warz
98-0965 Rainbow is ALIVE!!

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Once i get home from work I'll run a car fax and go from there
NBP ITR #01-fu thieves
CW ITR #98-0604 sold
PY ITR #01-xxxx sold
CW ITR #98-0352 sold
FBP ITR #00-0744 R.I.P
08 f150/ daily driver

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wish I could find my original badge # for 97-305
sold-
97-00305 born Feb. 12, 1997

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wish I could find my original badge # for 97-305

What area was she first stolen in?


NBP ITR #01-fu thieves
CW ITR #98-0604 sold
PY ITR #01-xxxx sold
CW ITR #98-0352 sold
FBP ITR #00-0744 R.I.P
08 f150/ daily driver
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