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Nice work! One we are settled in the new home in south jersey Ill be swinging by for some bushing help lol

Dude! Where did you guys purchase?? Congrats!

I'd be happy to help. Should have the process down pat after I get the passenger side done.


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You can try and aftermarket replacement. Honda does not sell a replacement front UCA balljoint, just the complete UCA.

Excellent work! I love the lathe action.

Gotcha! Guessing MOOG is a quality replacement? Looks like they have an upper ball joint that gives you +/- 1 degree of camber adjustment. Not sure if this is worth spending the coin on and using with the freshened up original UCA.

Also might just take the plunge on some OTS Koni yellows for now. The passenger side damper looks to be leaky upon closer inspection.

*EDIT* -- Now leaning towards the Bilstein after some lunch break research. Realistically, I just don't have the time or budget to make this much of a track rat. I figure freshening things up with (hopefully) a marginal improvement to OEM will meet my needs.

Modified by Dystopia at 4:45 AM 1/9/2017


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Now I understand why most people just purchase the whole upper control arms. Tried to press in the new upper ball joint and warped the UCA pretty easily. Learning as I go!

Any recommendations for an aftermarket set? I don't really need camber adjustment at this point. I know OEM replacements are too expensive either.

Modified by Dystopia at 9:58 AM 1/12/2017


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Sooooo.... Now I understand why most people just purchase the whole upper control arms. Tried to press in the new upper ball joint and warped the UCA pretty easily. Learning as I go!

Any recommendations for an aftermarket set? I don't really need camber adjustment at this point. I know OEM replacements are too expensive either.

Ebay is generally a best route if you're buying OEM replacement. If you go aftermarket, hardrace or skunk2 is fine as they seem to hold up very well in track use. Benefit of the camber kit is the ball joint is replaceable by 4 bolts and not pressed in. Also, you might look into SPC rear toe adjust arms if you're doing everything. It makes alignments much easier.


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Ebay is generally a best route if you're buying OEM replacement. If you go aftermarket, hardrace or skunk2 is fine as they seem to hold up very well in track use. Benefit of the camber kit is the ball joint is replaceable by 4 bolts and not pressed in. Also, you might look into SPC rear toe adjust arms if you're doing everything. It makes alignments much easier.

Honestly didn't even think about the bolt in ball joint replacements. Found a few options that don't include the bushings - which I already have ready to go.

Decisions, decisions....


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I went with beefy over stylishness or light weight. Tru Hart front UCA have served me well this past year. They come with HR 4 bolt ball joints. The arms are basically the same as the HR arms and Megan arms. They do not have as much travel as stock arms because they are beefy. I had my car a little too low and soft and banged them pretty good initially but after I raised the car up a little and adjusted dampers/pre load they dont seem to hit anymore. No slippage or damage so far and Ive been off track more than once lol. Check my build thread for pics and such. I have the rear UCA as well which are steel and not aluminum so no worry about aluminum failing. I think they are the same ss the SPC but cheaper.
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I went with beefy over stylishness or light weight. Tru Hart front UCA have served me well this past year. They come with HR 4 bolt ball joints. The arms are basically the same as the HR arms and Megan arms. They do not have as much travel as stock arms because they are beefy. I had my car a little too low and soft and banged them pretty good initially but after I raised the car up a little and adjusted dampers/pre load they dont seem to hit anymore. No slippage or damage so far and Ive been off track more than once lol. Check my build thread for pics and such. I have the rear UCA as well which are steel and not aluminum so no worry about aluminum failing. I think they are the same ss the SPC but cheaper.

Good feedback. Truhart was one of the options i found since you can get them without the bushings - Just use the HR bushings and hardware I have etc.


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Gotcha! Guessing MOOG is a quality replacement? Looks like they have an upper ball joint that gives you +/- 1 degree of camber adjustment. Not sure if this is worth spending the coin on and using with the freshened up original UCA...

Mugen bits are generally over priced for what you get. I would opt for OEM over Mugen given your scenario. The good and bad is OEM will include everything: new arm, new balljoint, new bushings all around, the bad is the high price.


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UGGGHH! Frustrating and strange day working on the caR. Had to bug a few of you with texts today to confirm that either I am an idiot or just unlucky. Didn't come to any conclusions yet.

First -- Ordered a Buddy Club P1 camber kit and the bushing mount locations opposite of the ball joint didn't quite line up with the factory location. Pics below for reference. If you look close - you can see that the width is off less than an inch between the OEM and BC UCA. When I mount the bracket/brace between the bushings - it forces the bushing housing and bolt off center.

Both UCA's stamped "L"

Right side lined up - left side not so much

Close up of left side

Bushings bolted in but as you can see - forcing the bracket down on the housing bolts flexes the bushings and bolts off center


Anyone ever run into this problem??


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Yikes! That looks very odd to me...
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Yikes! That looks very odd to me...

I thought so too.... thinking it might be an EK or CRX kit. Either way -- Sent them back and ordered a Truhart kit as recommended by Ryan. Maybe this weekend I can actually get some stuff accomplished.


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Quick update --- Good news and bad news.

Bad news first:

The old wheel bearing race was stuck on the hub/spindle and it was a royal PITA getting it off. Unfortunately, the spindle got scored to hell. I really have no clue what happened but it seems like some foreign material got in between the race and spindle or maybe it was pressed on too hard? I literally had to heat it with a torch and use a big pipe wrench to spin it off. Not sure if this can be machined down and cleaned up or would this mess up the tolerances between the spindle and bearing too much. A new one is on the way so I won't be able to button up the drivers side until next week (Thanks Chase!). I also have to make a final decision on which dampers to go with and get em ordered.

Good news is that I returned the BC camber kit and ordered a Truhart kit that lined up perfectly.

Did a rough re-installation of the UCA and LCA along with installing the compliance bushing and outer tie rod end.


Should have the sway bar bushings and end links to install over the weekend. The plan now is to finish as much as I can on the drivers side and start ripping apart the passenger side. Hopefully I don't run into any issues with the passenger side hub!



Modified by Dystopia at 2:05 PM 1/19/2017


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Are you redoing bearings too? Is that why you are messing with the hubs?

Which compliance did you go with? All OEM stuff or HR?

Glad youre making some progress.


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Are you redoing bearings too? Is that why you are messing with the hubs?

Which compliance did you go with? All OEM stuff or HR?

Glad youre making some progress.

Yep - While it's apart I'm doing the wheel bearings. Ended up using the HR compliance bushings since they were included in the kit.


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wow, didnt realize the lower profile truhart/hr camber kit was out. Glad to see no fittment issues

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Just a quick vouch for the HardRace bushings. They've been in the ITR for about 5 years now with no issues and several expo events.

I recently swapped the shocks/coils over to Koni/GC and have been very pleased.

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Lookin good.

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Alright gents --- I have been slacking big time on the updates. I had actually planned to do some time lapse video and other sort of documentation but due to some time constraints I plowed through this. I will update the first post with a parts tally and part numbers if possible as a reference for everyone. I just have to collect the receipts and type everything up. In the end I certainly went over budget more than I thought I would but I really wanted to do this right. I only partially used my HR bushing kit unfortunately. I just didn’t have the right cups and jigs for most of the bushings to press them in and out without feeling like I was going to damage the component - especially the aluminum pieces. The front upper and lower control arms were very easy to do but the rear upper and lowers were not. I ended up replacing the entire assemblies in most cases – i.e. set of OEM rear LCA’s etc. Anyways -- Here a few pics that i did stop and take along the way. Final impressions will come when I get the car aligned. I will say that I am very happy so far. Not a creak or rattle to speak of! The Bilsteins seem very compliant yet firm over slow speed bumps if that makes any sense. They really do seem like quality pieces after handling and inspecting them along the way.


Coating the knuckle, front LCA and suspension fork assemblies:

Parts! Rear LCA assemblies, top hat gaskets and bushings.

Moar Parts! Front hub assembly, front torque mounts and misc nuts and bolts were in this delivery from Chase.

Parts laid out and staged for the front passenger side:

Trashed RTA bushing:

New HR RTA in place - Hit the bushing with the bench grinder a bit and she went in like a champ with a decent size brass hammer. Also note the alignment dots - Why do people insist on drawing lines on the trailing arm for alignment?:

Assembling the Bilstein damper:

Rear drivers side in place - notice the fresh LCA!

Front drivers side put back together:

Back on the ground!



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Nice work Jared!
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